Full Recap – Da Troot According To Murray ?

THIS IS A “STICKY” POST (PERMANENTLY ON THE FIRST PAGE) – SCROLL DOWN TO VIEW RECENT POSTS IN A CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER

THIS POST WAS WRITTEN BY MEMBER DKLAYNE FOR PART 1.  ; STREETWALKER AND MYSELF FOR PART.2


PART 1

It seems even he and his lawyers don’t know what “da troot” is!

June 28
Murray’s lawyers said the doctor and attorney Edward Chernoff, a Texas criminal law attorney with the firm Stradley, Chernoff & Alford, met with the LAPD for three hours.

“During the meeting Dr. Murray helped identify the circumstances around the death of the pop icon and clarified some inconsistencies,” the statement said. “Dr. Murray has been in Los Angeles since the death of Mr. Jackson. He rode in the ambulance to the hospital and stayed at the hospital for hours comforting and consoling the Jackson family.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/MichaelJackson/story?id=7945488&…..amp;page=1

June 30
Dr Conrad Murray’s lawyer Edward Chernoff said his client was “ruling out” an overdose as cause of death based on what he knew of Jackson’s final hours.
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Mr Chernoff told CNN that his client believed that Jackson’s death was not the result of medication. Asked if it was possible that Jackson could have taken drugs not prescribed by the doctor, Mr Chernoff replied:

“I suppose it is possible, but Dr Murray was there that night and he did not see him take Demerol or OxyContin or any other pills that would have cased these problems.”

http://www.metro.co.uk/fame/article.html?Pills_seized_from_Jackson_mansion&in_article_id=694331&in….._page_id=7

and
Meanwhile, the legal firm representing Jackson’s doctor Conrad Murray, revealed it took Murray up to 30 minutes to call paramedics following the star’s fatal collapse last week.
They say Murray was unfamiliar with the surroundings of the star’s mansion which delayed him seeking help.
Lawyer Matt Alford said:

‘He didn’t know where he was, didn’t know the physical address.’
‘There was no land line, no phone in Jackson’s room that would have allowed him to call. It was all happening so fast.’

The lawyer said he didn’t know how long the doctor performed CPR before rushing downstairs to tell someone to call 911.
He first found a chef who then called a security guard, who then came back to the star’s bedroom and called for help as the doctor continued CPR, says the lawyer.
Fire department officials say an ambulance then took three minutes to arrive. They spent 42 minutes working on the star before he was taken to UCLA Medical Centre and pronounced dead.
Alford said it took 20 to 30 minutes before the first call for help was made.

‘There’s no way anybody in any situation like that can get an exact time on it,’

he said.

http://www.metro.co.uk/fame/article.html?Jackson_almost_died_once_before&in_article_id=694462&in….._page_id=7

July 6
Murray stayed at his own place in Los Angeles on most nights. But when asked, and only on occasion, he spent the night at Jackson’s rented Holmby Hills home, one of the doctor’s attorneys, Matt Alford, told FOXNews.com in an earlier interview.
On June 24, Jackson finished up a rehearsal at the Staples Center and asked Murray to stay the night. The next day around noon, Murray went to check on Jackson and found him lying on his bed unconscious, but with a weak pulse, the doctor’s attorneys say.
Murray performed CPR for about 30 minutes and tried to call 911, but could not call out on the landlines, which had been turned off for security reasons. He could not use his cell phone because, his attorneys have said, he did not know the exact address of the house. After performing CPR on Jackson, who lay on his bed, for approximately 30 minutes, and after yelling out for someone else in the home, he left the pop star to try to find someone who could call 911. He found a chef in another part of the house. The chef then found a bodyguard, Alberto Alvarez, and while Murray rushed back to Jackson’s room and continued CPR, Alvarez called 911.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5302…..42,00.html

July 22
Murray and his lawyer have refused to answer questions about whether he administered the powerful drug to Jackson.
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Murray’s attorney Edward Chernoff previously told Good Morning America that it took Murray a while to find anyone in Jackson’s rented mansion to help him call 911 after he failed to revive the superstar.

“We can’t tell you exactly when 911 was called,” attorney Edward Chernoff told “Good Morning America” today.
Chernoff said that once Murray realized that CPR was not bringing Jackson back, Murray, he said, tried to dial 911 on his cell phone but did not have the exact address of Jackson’s home. And with none of the phones in the home working “for privacy reasons,

” Murray ran around the house till he found Jackson’s chef, who alerted security.
It was the security person, Chernoff said, who eventually dialed 911. CPR, he said, was done for 25 to 30 minutes before emergency officials arrived.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/MichaelJackson/story?id=8146206&…..amp;page=1

July 28
On June 25, the day Jackson died, Murray gave him the drug through an IV sometime after midnight, the official said.
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Police say Murray is cooperating and have not labeled him a suspect.
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Murray became Jackson’s personal physician in May and was to accompany him to London for a series of concerts starting in July.
He was staying with Jackson in the Los Angeles mansion and, according to Chernoff, “happened to find” an unconscious Jackson in the pop star’s bedroom the morning of June 25. Murray tried to revive him by compressing his chest with one hand while supporting Jackson’s back with the other.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/i…..d/32177914

August 7
In a written statement, Murray’s lawyer, Ed Chernoff, said the official’s assertion that Murray gave Jackson multiple drugs is “ridiculous”.

“We are not going to be responding to any accusations from any unnamed sources,

” Chernoff said.

http://www.metro.co.uk/fame/article.html?Michael_Jackson_given_sedatives&in_article_id=716488&in….._page_id=7

August 24
In his attempts to resuscitate Mr. Jackson, Dr. Murray said he administered flumazenil, a drug to reverse the effects of the sedatives in Mr. Jackson’s system. Dr. Murray waited about 82 minutes before anyone called paramedics to the home, according to the documents.

http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/m/conrad_murray/…..index.html

and
Reports that the coroner had decided in favour of a homicide ruling came as court documents confirmed that authorities believe a lethal dosage of propofol killed the 50-year-old singer.
It also revealed that Dr Murray told police that in the day’s before Jackson’s demise he had administered several drugs to Jackson to help him sleep. These included propofol, which he administered via an intravenous line.
But he feared that the singer was becoming addicted to the drug and halved his dosage from 50 milligrams a night to 25 milligrams. The last time Dr Murray administered the medication was 10.40am on June 25 – just hours before Jackson’s heart stopped.

http://www.metro.co.uk/fame/article.html?Jacksons_death_ruled_as_homicide&in_article_id=725404&in….._page_id=7

August 25

“Much of what was in the search warrant affidavit is factual. However, unfortunately, much is police theory. Most egregiously, the timeline reported by law enforcement was not obtained through interviews with Dr. Murray, as was implied by the affidavit,”

the statement said.

“Dr. Murray simply never told investigators that he found Michael Jackson at 11:00 a.m. not breathing. He also never said that he waited a mere 10 minutes before leaving to make several phone calls. In fact, Dr. Murray never said that he left Michael Jackson’s room to make phone calls at all.

“

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/08/24/michael.jackson.propofol/…..index.html

August 26
But Murray’s lawyer says the doctor didn’t discover a stricken Jackson until around noon.
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By 11 a.m., after a short trip to the bathroom, Murray said he saw Jackson was not breathing and began trying to revive him, both with a “rescue” drug and by performing CPR, according to the documents. An ambulance was not called until 12:21 p.m. and Murray spent much of the intervening time making non-emergency cell phone calls, police say.
That timeline is flawed, said Murray’s attorney, Edward Chernoff, who was present when investigators spent three hours interviewing the doctor June 27. Chernoff said Murray never told police he found Jackson not breathing at 11 a.m. — instead, it was more like noon.

“Their theory is he came back and wasn’t breathing. That’s not what Dr. Murray told them,” Chernoff said Tuesday. “

They are confusing the time Michael Jackson went to sleep with the time he stopped breathing.”
Chernoff did not provide additional detail about what Murray had told police.
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Phone records show Murray spent 47 minutes between 11:18 and 12:05 making three personal calls. One of the calls was to one of Murray’s offices, Chernoff said, adding that the doctor never told investigators about the calls because he wasn’t asked about them.
At 12:13 p.m., Murray made a four-second call to Jackson’s personal assistant, Michael Amir Williams, pleading for help, Williams’ attorney Carl Douglas said. Within two minutes, Williams called Alberto Alvarez, Jackson’s bodyguard, with a similar plea.
Douglas, who also represents Alvarez, said the bodyguard hurried to the top floor of Jackson’s rented mansion, a private sanctum where staff were not normally allowed, and assisted a confused-looking Murray as he frantically tried to revive Jackson. It was Alvarez that placed the 911 call at 12:21 p.m.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32564402/ns/entertainm…..ent-music/

September 2
He told detectives that he gave the singer a series of sedatives and propofol to try to help him sleep.

http://www.metro.co.uk/fame/article.html?Jackson_death_certificate_amended&in_article_id=729732&in….._page_id=7

September 17
La Toya said Dr Conrad Murray, who was with Michael before he died, has not yet contacted the family.
“I have not heard from Dr Conrad Murray, neither has anyone in my family,” she said.

http://www.metro.co.uk/fame/article.html?La_Toya:_Michael_had_death_paranoia&in_article_id=739499&in….._page_id=7

Inconsistency #1
He rode in the ambulance to the hospital and stayed at the hospital for hours comforting and consoling the Jackson family.

VS

“I have not heard from Dr Conrad Murray, neither has anyone in my family,”
I seem to remember Joe stating at one point in time too that the family hadn’t spoken to Dr. Murray.

Inconsistency #2
He was staying with Jackson in the Los Angeles mansion and, according to Chernoff, “happened to find” an unconscious Jackson in the pop star’s bedroom the morning of June 25. Murray tried to revive him by compressing his chest with one hand while supporting Jackson’s back with the other.

VS

Murray stayed at his own place in Los Angeles on most nights. But when asked, and only on occasion, he spent the night at Jackson’s rented Holmby Hills home, one of the doctor’s attorneys, Matt Alford, told FOXNews.com in an earlier interview.
So does ANYONE know where the guy actually lived? I mean, he had to have some dirty underwear lying somewhere, right? But then again, we’re talking LAPD…maybe they couldn’t find them.

Inconsistency #3
In a written statement, Murray’s lawyer, Ed Chernoff, said the official’s assertion that Murray gave Jackson multiple drugs is “ridiculous”.

VS

He told detectives that he gave the singer a series of sedatives and propofol to try to help him sleep.

Inconsistency #4
He first found a chef who then called a security guard, who then came back to the star’s bedroom and called for help as the doctor continued CPR, says the lawyer.
and
After performing CPR on Jackson, who lay on his bed, for approximately 30 minutes, and after yelling out for someone else in the home, he left the pop star to try to find someone who could call 911. He found a chef in another part of the house. The chef then found a bodyguard, Alberto Alvarez, and while Murray rushed back to Jackson’s room and continued CPR, Alvarez called 911.

VS

At 12:13 p.m., Murray made a four-second call to Jackson’s personal assistant, Michael Amir Williams, pleading for help, Williams’ attorney Carl Douglas said. Within two minutes, Williams called Alberto Alvarez, Jackson’s bodyguard, with a similar plea.
Douglas, who also represents Alvarez, said the bodyguard hurried to the top floor of Jackson’s rented mansion, a private sanctum where staff were not normally allowed, and assisted a confused-looking Murray as he frantically tried to revive Jackson. It was Alvarez that placed the 911 call at 12:21 p.m.

And another question…my understanding of lawyers is that they HAVE to be licensed to practice in the state in which they will be representing someone, right?

Yet they have this at the bottom of their page:
Quote:

“The Houston, Texas criminal defense law firm of Stradley, Chernoff & Alford, L.L.P., represents people who have been accused of a state or federal crime anywhere in Texas, including in communities such as League City, Angleton, Pearland, Alvin, Clear Lake, Sugar Land, The Woodlands, Baytown, Pasadena, Memorial, Spring Branch, River Oaks, West University, and Bellaire.

“

Are they licensed to practice outside of Texas? And if not, how can they represent Murray in the state of California?

Chernoff’s bio says this:
Quote:
Certification/Specialties:
Criminal Law, Texas Board Legal Specialization, 1995
Bar Admissions:
Texas, 1987
U.S. District Court Southern District of Texas, 1992
To me, that means only licensed to practice in the state of Texas…but I could be wrong, though I did read this…

“To practice law in the courts of any State or other jurisdiction, a person must be licensed, or admitted to its bar, under rules established by the jurisdiction’s highest court. All States require that applicants for admission to the bar pass a written bar examination; most States also require applicants to pass a separate written ethics examination. Lawyers who have been admitted to the bar in one State occasionally may be admitted to the bar in another without taking another examination if they meet the latter jurisdiction’s standards of good moral character and a specified period of legal experience. In most cases, however, lawyers must pass the bar examination in each State in which they plan to practice.”

PART 2

OK, so like the previous post stated, Murray’s lawyers are SOLELY licensed to practice in TEXAS.
And I found this :

The defendant must stand trial in the state in which the crime was committed. Even if the defendant is charged with a federal crime; the trial generally takes place in the federal court in the state where the crime was committed.

So, if Murray ever goes to court on trial, it will be in California.
But his lawyers are not licensed to practice in California, none of them.

OK, so bec and Mo brought up that Chernoff had hired a lawyer for himself – they proceeded to tell me “maybe Chernoff’s lawyer would defend Murray”.
IMO, that makes absolutely no sense – first of all, we don’t know if that “lawyer’s lawyer” is licensed to practice in California. Second of all, why would Chernoff HIRE another lawyer for Murray, namely PAY basically for Murray’s defense ? Lawyer want money to come IN, not OUT. That is unheard of and impractical. Surely, those lawyers would refer Murray to someone that is licensed to practice in California – there must be tons of great California certified criminal defense lawyers who are able to take up a case like that
I also took the liberty of asking a question like that on a legal Q&A website :

Hello,

If a lawyer is, say, licensed to practice law in Florida, where I come from, but I have committed a crime in California and will go to court in California – can I appoint that lawyer to be my lawyer and argue my case in court ?

If I can’t, would that lawyer hire a lawyer or would he refer me ?

Thanks

Here’s the answer I received :
An attorney must either be licensed to practice in California to represent you or seek permission from the court here to appear on a one-time basis. Your Florida attorney may know an attorney in California to recommend to you, or you can find one on your own.

Ordinarily, the other attorney would not hire the new attorney for you.

I had another answer :
Only a lawyer licensed in CA can practice here. Either you or your FL attorney can locate an attorney by searching one out, but the FL would not ‘hire’ one, only recommend one. You get to pay for such ounsel, not your FL attorney. If serious about getting counsel, and if this case is in SoCal courts, feel free to contact me.

OK, something else – it feels like Chernoff, in fact, never hired a lawyer. I googled till I couldn’t google no more, there is no article stating Chernoff had hired a lawyer.

I remember reading it on TMZ but that article, I guess, has been either corrected since, or we misread it, because here it is :

A spokesman for attorney Ed Chernoff just called to say when Chernoff spoke with TMZ last night “He was not conscious. He had just woken up and he can’t speak for anything that was in the home.”
In fact, it was just after midnight Houston time when we spoke with him. We were on the phone with Chernoff for nearly 20 minutes. He repeated multiple times that he had no comment regarding the Propofol. Aside from the comments we quoted above, Chernoff said, “I have no comment on whether the doctor administered Propofol.” He also said, “I can’t deny or admit what the doctor might have prescribed.” He also said “I can’t say if the doctor gave him Propofol.”
Chernoff went on to talk about the LAPD investigation, sounding very alert and choosing his words carefully: “When all the results come in, the truth will come out and the correct result will be obtained.” He also asked questions about what we knew regarding which drug may have killed Michael Jackson.

Spokesman, NOT attorney. So Murray doesn’t even have legit representation if he ever has to go to court !
I also found this on law.com :

Chernoff says Murray recognized he needed a lawyer because “all hell broke” after Jackson’s death. Murray hired “legal counsel to help guide him through the police investigation process” and “to make sure the police investigation is conducted properly,” Chernoff says.

Is it me or Murray KNOWS he’s never going to court ? Lookey, lookey, I’ve got hoaxey.

OK, so we’ve established Murray’s lawyers could not legally defend him if he was ever to go to court.
New thought :
It seems to me Murray knows he’s never going to court – but needed counsel/advice/protection while this whole hoaxey get-up unravels.
The lawyers are from his hometown, Houston, so he might have known them beforehand – or, since they’re quirky little things, he thought they’d be best for this kind of thing.
I think it’s technically possible that Murray’s lawyer, Chernoff, could know something (I’m not saying he does – but he could) because he’s bound by client/lawyer confidentiality. If he blabs, he risks his license.

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